What Really Grinds My Gears: Stoicism

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What Really Grinds My Gears

That’s right people, after quite a while I’m finally sharing another “What Really Grinds My Gears” post. I know a lot of my readers really enjoy these because it gives us a safe space to whine. Although if you’re on a blog called Lifesfinewhine it’s pretty safe to say that any place would be a safe space to whine lol. Anyway, today I’ll be talking about something that is near and dear to me- Stoicism. Since it’s something I’m interested it, I find myself getting videos of it on social media and YouTube (thanks know-it-all algorithm that has enslaved humankind!). And there’s something I’ve noticed that has really been… well… grinding my gears.

Stoicism

I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this but Stoicism seems to have become more popular online over the last few weeks. More people are interested in it and have been sharing their thoughts on it. Now, I won’t go so far as to say I started the trend but… Lol just kidding, obviously!

Anyway, the problem I have is that Stoicism is being both misunderstood and misused. In particular, it seems that many people only focus on one specific aspect of Stoicism while ignoring the rest. This is leading to misinterpretations of Stoic beliefs.

What I mean is that I’ve noticed a lot of people only focus on one of the cornerstones of Stoicism- “temperance.” This teaches us to be moderate and/or neutral about things we can’t control. The keywords here are “things we can’t control.” However, it seems many people online seem to be misinterpreting the Stoic beliefs of moderation and think it means to be moderate about all things. I’ve also noticed that oftentimes people are mistaking indifference for moderation. There is a huge difference between the two.

Yes, Stoics believed in remaining neutral/moderate about things we don’t control. But people forget that two other cornerstones of Stoicism are “justice” and “courage.” Moderation does not equate to being moderate about all things constantly. In fact, Stoics have often written about the importance of embodying your morals and ethics and having the courage to stand up for them when you see an injustice happening.

If you’re able to do something to stop immoral or unjust behaviour, than you should absolutely be doing so. Well known Stoics like Marcus Aurelius and Thrasea Paetus stood up against oppression. Acting justly and taking action when you can are a central part of Stoicism. It encourages us to take be proactive not passive when there’s something we can do to have a positive impact on the world.

Marcus Aurelius Stoic Reflections 73: The Injustice of Inaction "Often injustice lies in what you aren't doing, not only in what you are doing." — Marcus Aurelius Marcus Aurelius reminds us that | Stoicism
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Daily Stoic | "You can also commit injustice by doing nothing." — Marcus Aurelius | Stoicism
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Concluding Thoughts

I think the problem with learning about things on the internet is that they will always be subjective and bias. And it very much grinds my gears when people read a couple of quotes online and think they can speak on Stoicism as a whole or try to use Stoicism in a biased way to support your argument. It doesn’t work like that if you haven’t done extensive reading and understood every single virtue- not just the ones that work for you.

I would encourage anyone interested in Stoicism (or any philosophical schools!) to please do your own readings and form your own opinions. Don’t rely on the internet. There are lots of fantastic books you can read. I even shared a beginner friendly list of books you can start out with if you’re interested in learning more about Stoicism. You can read the full list here. You’ll get a much more comprehensive understanding in that way.

What are your thoughts on Stoicism? Do you belong to any philosophical schools of thought? Let me know in the comments below because I would love to hear from you. Or simply stop by and say hi!

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89 responses to “What Really Grinds My Gears: Stoicism”

  1. Honestly, I had no clue what you were talking about at the beginning, so now I know something new. Thanks for sharing.

    1. I’m so glad to hear that now you know more about Stoicism and Stoic beliefs. Thanks for your wonderful comment.

  2. Gosh no wonder you’re so pissed off! This is part of the bad trade off to me when philosophy (or anything for that matter) becomes just a short lived algorithm trend. And then five years later it will probably happen again. And then certain content creators will project their conception of Stoicism once again and butcher it all in a different way somehow. Goodness gracious! 😅

    I wish more people would just talk about Philosophy in a way where we spread more awareness of the actual texts. And then we just talk about our experiences with the ACTUAL TEXTS without having to project like we’re some kind of expert on it. (Unless we’re actually a scholar in that particular field of course) Like, it’s okay to not be an expert on something. We don’t have to know it all. Let the author’s voices of these texts speak to us! And let’s interpret them the best way possible without distorting it! Goodness gracious there’s my whine/rant for the day. I hope I made you proud! 😂

    1. Lol thank you for joining my whining and sharing your own! I absolutely agree and that’s what pisses me off about social media trends. Philosophy is not a trend, it’s about learning from those before us. And to do that we need to read their texts and understand their stances. Absolutely, we’re often not experts on most things and that’s fine- it allows us to learn further from people that actually are experts!

    2. I never forgot my medieval history professor’s advice to always read the primary documents.

  3. Hello, glad you are posting, look forward to hearing from you. Thanks for the post.

    1. Thank you so much.

  4. Yes don’t rely on the internet. There is so much misinformation, especially on social media. However. there are reliable online sources but you’ve got to know what they are. Worst of all is to believe what you want to believe. That tricks people all the time.

    1. Absolutely, there’s a lot of misinformation and bias stuff on social media. The most reliable sources online are probably peer reviewed studies from what I’ve read.

  5. Your whine is an old one amongst students of Stoicism— it used to annoy me too. I have been studying Stoicism since roughly 2008 and in that time have made mistakes myself, seen online communities flourish, helped new comers untangle their misconceptions, seen the malignant growth of Broicism (Stoicism used to reinforce toxic masculinity) but I hadn’t noticed a particular uptick in any sort of interest recently, but that’s probably due to my online activities being limited to Bluesky and Facebook.

    The problems you identify are perennial. If people think they are practicing a philosophy of life by taking a few quotes to heart, they aren’t. Many of the quotes I come across are paraphrased, misattributed, or so divorced from context that they are bound to be misunderstood or shoehorned into a persons subjective world view.

    What I call the “control problem” is the larger of the problems you have identified because it does tend to lead almost all serious students down the wrong path initially.

    The word control doesn’t quite align with Epictetus’s meaning in the original Greek. So people make the mistakes you mention, thinking they don’t have to or shouldn’t care about what’s out of their control, which leads to apathy. I much prefer control translated as “what’s up to you” or “ what’s in your power”, again not exact fits for the Greek but a little better than control in most cases. An example often used to illustrate the point is: Why should I care about voting, the outcome is not within my control. To which Epictetus would say: Well, what is within your power, up to you, within your control is the decision and action to vote for a particular candidate. He’d probably mention something about it being your role as a citizen too. Another way I approach it is by asking myself the question—What can I do in a situation that moves a potential outcome towards a virtuous end? If I can’t do anything, it’s not that I cease to care about that virtuous end it’s that I realise there is nothing I can do about it at that time and don’t waste time/effort/anguish.

    What can I do about peoples misconceptions of Stoic philosophy? I can’t get them to understand, but I can educate them. Their learning is not up to me, not within my power, not something I can control.

    1. Thank you so much for this incredibly accurate and well explained comment. Broicism is exactly the kind of Stoicism that’s popular online but is clearly wildly inaccurate. The posts I’ve noticed are mostly on TikTok so you may not have seen them.

      I think your translation is more fitting than using “control” and that makes a lot of sense, I think when texts are translated there’s bound to be some confusion since languages don’t always have accurate words for certain things. Exactly, do what you can to bring about change but don’t worry yourself about the things you can’t do.

    2. I’m tempted to google “Broicism” but then Google might start trying to drag me down that rabbit hole. How does “Broicism” work?

  6. If stoicism is all about justice and courage, I’m definitely a stoic. People will understand and misinterpret those concepts , it’s inevitable… Therefore I chose to do something, instead of doing nothing. Teaching others about things can be quite painful but don’t lose hope, Pooj

    1. Yeah, justice and courage are two of the cornerstones of Stoicism although the most important belief (in my opinion) that differentiates Stoics is that we believe that we don’t have any control over destiny/fate but only control our own emotions/reactions/actions. Absolutely, we can’t just sit back and do nothing. We can do what we can to make the world a better place.

      1. Here in the US all kinds of changes are happening, people tend to believe we have no control over what’s going on, I mean it not as an accusation but rather an observation. Their reactions are not super positive for sure but what can they possibly do? There are of course the activists offering some solutions, people strike against injustice. I hope they actually win this time but the craziness is very real and anarchy is right around the corner. We all seek refuge some place to stay sane.

        1. Yes, I completely understand. It’s been so unpredictable recently not just in the US but around the world. Today, we had major protests in Kenya and they’ve been happening for a while now. It can make people feel like they have no control but of course there’s always some way we can bring about change.

          1. Yes, there are ways. I guess we need a new vision, a new leader and a new plan

  7. 🙏🌹👍

    Aum Shanti

  8. I guess you have to go back to the original writings of historical works as there are so many people wishing to interpret these days and frankly YouTube is so full of this stuff and AI is so powerfully used to promote ideas that don’t pass the truth monitor that the internet is losing its usefulness. You have to do considerable research to try and ascertain truth now.

    1. Yes, thank you for mentioning the AI because I forgot to do that and have noticed more and more AI created videos online.

    2. I never forgot my medieval history professor’s advice to always read the primary sources.

  9. Basically as Human Beings
    Aren’t Particularly Rational
    at Core Even Science Shows Most
    of Our Actions and Decisions are

    Preceded By Emotions Before

    We Are even Aware

    of them

    Dear Pooja
    Life Becomes
    Yes Basically
    A “Rorschach Inkblot Test”

    Yes Where our Experiences
    Before Color Our Expectations
    For Whatever We May Consume in Life

    A Great Example is as We Approach the
    Catholic Church We Visit Seeing All the
    “Vote for Trump Stickers” on the Cars

    Like How In the Hell could someone
    Support Someone Who is totally

    Against the ‘Beatitudes’
    Part of Matthew although

    It’s True Hehe by the End of that Chapter
    Dr. Jekyll Jesus Becomes Mr Hyde Jesus

    And Burns All the Folks FOREVER Who Refuse to
    Clothe And Feed the Immigrants at the Southern Border
    Additionally Sadly Taking Health Care Away from 11 MiLLioN
    or So of the Most Vulnerable in Our Country And Food Benefits
    Away from those who Need them most and Oh Yeah There are

    Those 100,000 Adults and 200,000 Children in Africa Losing Our
    Assistance Already Dead Dead Dead with Around 14 Million More
    Prognosticated to Die Die Die as they got “DOGE’d” From the Food

    Vaccinations

    And Medicines

    They Need the
    Most Just to Breathe too

    And oh Dear Lord The List
    Goes on and on and on Particularly
    As that Applies to the Good Cop Version
    of the Jesus Dude too It’s almost Enough

    To Bring the Non-Sense Poem For Real That Reveals
    The Hatred of ‘Nero Persecuting Early Christians in that

    Earlier Version of ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ Way Back then Without
    The Technology to Make T-Shirts to Sell Like they do today

    about the Hispanics
    As Food for The

    Alligators Yep

    ‘Revelation’

    in the Florida
    Everglades too

    Not Really Whining
    Just Reporting the News
    as so many folks where i Live
    Live in Echo Chambers of Down Wrong Lies

    That Way Even though i Don’t Name Any Specific
    Religion Philosophy or Politics That Plays well for me

    The Description of Stoicism Surely Relates to Much of What

    Works for me

    Most Important
    i See in Life is Generating
    Our Own Happiness and
    Mastering our Organic

    Souls that Precede

    Our Rationality

    And Actions

    By Regulating
    Emotions Integrating
    Senses in a Kind of Continuous
    Wu Wei Flow Always in the Sweet
    Spot Tween Apathy and Anxiety Yes

    in Laser Focus for the Task at Hand
    Fully Engaged in the Present of Now

    Continuously Adapting to Challenge

    For Positive Impacts of Epigenetic Change

    Yes WHere the Past and Future Illusions

    Disappear in the Eternal Now of Do Do Do

    With
    SMiLes

    simplified
    as free dance
    and song in
    Meditating

    Contemplative Flow

    And Without Empathy
    And Compassion For All

    It’s all a Moot Point to do for me…:)

    1. I believe it’s 12 million that lost their healthcare. So incredibly heartbreaking. It’s so weird how they skip all the parts in religious texts about love, kindness and empathy.

      1. Sadly “The Dark Force” The
        Addiction to the Adrenaline
        And Dopamine That Fear
        Anger And Hate of ‘The

        Other’
        Brings
        Is A Formidable
        Dark Force indeed

        Dear Pooja Whereas
        The Love That Empathy
        Compassion And Kindness

        Brings Is tHE ALL Natural
        Healing Of Anxiety And
        Pain That The Associated
        Neurohormone Oxytocin
        Of Humanity’s LiGHT

        Force
        Warming
        Healing
        Humanity’s
        Real Organic
        Soul BRinGS

        Other Than That This
        Is The ERA of ‘FAFO’

        Ignore Human Driven
        Climate Change Taking
        Nature More out of Balance

        And One May Surely Anticipate
        Even Greater Weeping And
        Gnashing of Teeth From

        “Greater”
        And Greater
        Natural Disasters
        In Response To
        Greater Imbalance

        Of
        Nature
        Next

        “Godzilla”
        Plays No
        Games When

        It Comes to The
        Ignorance And

        Folly

        Of

        Man
        Without
        Kind For
        All Of Nature
        That is Our Face
        🌍 🌎 🌏

  10. Right on! We should always stand up for what is right!

  11. I loved this edition of “What Really Grinds My Gears”. Sadly, I think you are correct about the reduction of ideas and philosophy on the internet. Our attention spans are so short that we want the AI summary of the Cole’s Notes version, lol.

    1. Oh for sure, our attention spans are absolutely fried at this point. It’s so sad.

    2. I’ve read that even top universities in America are cutting back on homework because their “elite” students can’t handle old fashioned workloads.

  12. Yeah, I totally echo the idea of KNOW what you are subscribing to and talking about. People take a meme created by someone to highlight one aspect of a belief or school of thought, and others take it as gospel.

    1. Yes, exactly make sure you do the readings necessary and not rely on random quotes online.

    2. My favorite example of what you are talking about is how people argue about “Atlas Shrugged.” Yes, greed is the main theme of the book, but what people keep forgetting is that the author also shows how radical honesty is necessary to make her system of philosophy work.

  13. A & J PEI Treasures/E Jean Simpson, BEd, BA, MA Avatar
    A & J PEI Treasures/E Jean Simpson, BEd, BA, MA

    Interesting how people seem to read a quote or two and think they are an expert. Online also unfortunately has lot of misinformation, etc.

    1. Yes, it’s so sad how much misinformation there is out there and that people are willing to believe everything they see online.

  14. I feel a lot of what we learn on the internet is someone’s opinion, and couldn’t be a slanted point of view. And then there is AI, which is just another point of view in a condensed form. It’s best we form our own opinions, and stand up for what is right. ❣️

    1. Absolutely, it’s all very subjective which is why I always recommend doing your own reading. For sure, AI has really made things worse in so many ways especially because a lot of the times it’s not even accurate in its answers. Yes, form our own opinions and do what we feel is morally correct. 💕

      1. 👍I agree!

      2. AI trained on social media is inaccurate because it’s trained on the random ramblings of people who usually don’t know what they are talking about, and the most popular things to post about are what we’re angry about, which makes it even worse.

  15. Taking a study or concept and running with one small part of it is typical. We are an impatient bunch and not great listeners. Your post is not only a better explanation of stoicism but also a reminder to know the full story before making a judgment or believing we know it all.

    1. Absolutely, it’s a very human thing to do. Thank you so much, I have been doing a lot of reading (the actual texts not online sources lol) and feel I’m better understanding Stoicism. However, I’m still far from an expert.

  16. It’s too easy, you’re right, to watch a video ‘interpretation’ and take that to be itself, along the lines of map not being territory, but even more subjective. These mis/interpretations seem to me often a way to trick people back into productivity for the sake of productivity.

    1. Absolutely and that can be damaging because most of those videos are pretty subjective. They generally try to trick the viewers with different motives.

    2. I’ve read about modern corporations trying to create little nooks of mindfulness so their employees can survive the stress of working there, as if making work a little less stressful in the first place would be so hard.

      1. Yes! This is what happens when corporations fold in what’s meant to upend status quo. Mindfulness as fashioned becomes in service to productivity, just like yoga becomes in service to having the perfect body, ie productivity/perfection. Spiritual materialism or rainbow capitalism, etc.

  17. Great post, Pooja and I totally agree. People like to turn things into whatever suites them at the time. This is soooo true! ❤️
    “Acting justly and taking action when you can are a central part of Stoicism. It encourages us to take be proactive not passive when there’s something we can do to have a positive impact on the world.

    1. Yes, unfortunately so. People like to use quotes etc to support their argument without taking context into account. Thanks so much for being proactive ❤️

      1. It’s my pleasure to support you and it’s part of my DNA to seek solutions and stand up when things need to be called out. You’re very welcome!!! Thank you! 🙏🏼

  18. thanks for the explanation…like many, I’ve not really thought of stoicism as a negative, but maybe backwards – I had a grandparent that never said a lot, so thought, maybe) but it’s not that. some people just are

    1. Yeah, some people are just more Stoic in nature but there’s so much more to Stoicism than that.

  19. There is definately a lot to find out about this subject. I like all the points you made

    1. Thank you so much.

  20. I just picked up a few works on the Stoics which I hope to review. Their teachings have become more well known (revived) over the last 20 years or so given the chaos of the world. In the US that would be 9-11, and the Financial Crisis of 2008. Events like this were not supposed to happen.

    1. Oh that’s great, I’m excited to read your reviews. Yeah, usually when things feel out of control philosophy and religion make a strong comeback.

  21. I’m appreciating learning more about Stoicism from you. You clearly read and reflect on the philosophy and process, which I find convincing. I don’t think I’d go to the Internet generally to find out about Stoicism (specifically). I wouldn’t go quickly either and then assume I know a lot. Your several posts on the subject are much more helpful to say the least. For my philosophy, I tend to be drawn to situation ethics, which to me means applying constant principles to changing events. I hope you’re having a pleasant beginning to the new week.

    1. Thank you so much, I’m trying my best to do Stoic readings daily and reflect on them. I have a little Stoic journal haha. Yeah, I think it’s best to focus on the readings rather than rely on the internet. I really like that, different situations do call for different ethics and that makes a lot of sense. I am and hope you are too.

  22. What a great, comprehensive explanation, Pooja. I’m glad you really expanded and broke the meaning down. I don’t read much online, and now with AI, it’s hard to know what is real and what is not. Let alone, truth or simply a personal perspective. 💞

    1. Thank you so much! Yeah, AI has made it even worse. So much misinformation out there.

  23. I’ve noticed this myself. A lot of people will villainize Stoicism to act apathetic about world events and issues.

    1. Yes, it seems to be getting worse too. A lot of newer Stoics tend to become apathetic instead of moderate.

  24. Unfortunately, many people tend to take a shopping cart approach to many different belief systems, and then talk down to or judge others who don’t follow their way or their interpretation of how things should go!

    1. Unfortunately so. Everyone views things differently and that should be accepted instead of judged!

    2. I have to admit, my own belief system is a mix and match of various philosophies, chosen by what my reading and life experiences support.

  25. I feel like so many terms get twisted. Like people who claim to be anti social or passive are really just being rude and making up an excuse by using well known and greatly misunderstood definitions to their advantage. It’s unfortunate, yet one bad pair doesn’t ruin the entire tree thankfully 🙂

    1. Yes, absolutely. Or when people are like “I’m very honest” but they’re just very rude to people. Thankfully so 🙂

      1. Oh gosh yes! Love you friend.

    2. Your post takes me back to my college days.

      1. As in I knew a lot of people who were philosophically sloppy to support their preconceived notions.

  26. Been into Stoicism for 6 years now, I love how a lot of people start gaining interest.🔥 Your article is amazing 🤞🏾

    1. That’s amazing, Stoicism is so life changing 👏🏽

    1. Thank you ☺️💕

  27. Absolutely, and I’m actually studying Stoicism after reading a book about the history of philosophy. Out of all the philosophies, this is the one that attracted me the most. You’re spot on, but don’t forget about wisdom. The Stoics emphasize the four virtues and believe that happiness can be achieved by cultivating them. Great post, Pooja.

    1. I’m so glad to hear that, Stoicism is absolutely fascinating and teaches so many life lessons. Absolutely, wisdom is an important one too but I feel like most people remember that one. It’s justice that is often overlooked especially online. Thanks so much.

      1. You’re so welcome, Pooja. Absolutely! Justice is often overlooked, and my goodness, how much we need it in our current environment.

        1. Yes, definitely need it now more than ever.

  28. Stoicism is all Greek to me.

    1. It’s all Roman to me haha…

  29. Misunderstanding goes with the territory of being online, I suppose. This ties in with the idea of how a person can live a good life? What makes for a good society? Often, individualism clashes with what would form a good society for the majority. But certainly, the Stoics were very much interested in living a good and just life as free from suffering as possible. Buddhism has much in common in terms of how suffering can be alleviated.

    1. So true, I think we all have a different vision for good and right. So that leads to clashes. However, I feel like people that have heard about Stoicism but haven’t done any reading into it may not be aware of how much of a role justice plays in it. They seem to ignore it completely. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, I very much agree.

    2. Because “misunderstanding goes with the territory of being online,” we shouldn’t rely on the Internet for our research. For me, social media is “social” media. When that CEO on “I, Robot” (a Will Smith movie) accused the hero of being one of those people who would shut down the Internet to save libraries, I thought, “You bet, buckaroo.” There’s also a book “Greek Buddha” you might enjoy, about the encounter between Buddhism and Greeks in Central Asia.

      1. And even social media is not especially social, as it’s linked to loneliness, anxiety, depression, and social comparison! True. Evidence-based, peer reviewed, scholarly research is not done in the web junkyard. Save libraries and the internet vanish? Yes, absolutely. No tears from me. Thank you.

        1. I experienced the lack of civility on social media until I began cultivating my connections to only follow people who treated me with respect.

  30. Almost anything we read online are people’s opinions about summaries of the cliff notes of the books they should be reading.

    1. Yup, agreed. That’s why we have to take the time to do the readings ourselves.

    2. And half-remembered crap.

  31. This is right on. Well said! Stoicism, correctly understood, does not teach indifference in the face of immorality. It teaches speaking the truth boldly and courageously, and being indifferent to the consequences. There is a world of difference between these two things.

    1. Yes, I completely agree. That’s absolutely it.

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